How 'bout we put the THRIFT back in Thrift shop?

And the Good back in GoodWill.

Pul-eeease.

I want to know...What is up with my local GoodWill Industries and Salvation Army's increased pricing?! People, read the sign. It says GoodWill, not Nordstoms. (Actually, my daughter and son-in-law up in PTown now refer to it as "Greedy Will" and I fear they're right.)

Umm...have they heard not the news? We're in a recession here, people. Yes, indeedy. And yet, there appears to be no rhyme or reason for the pricing system at the biggest little city's thrift shops. (Ehem... and not in Portland Oregon's thrift stores either, according to my sources.)

I swear, it's like they let a seven year old loose with the price gun (which was set on $14.95) to tag each and every item (a minimum of 12 times with stickers that don't want to come off, ever.) in the small "home accessories" department. 

See a small kind-of-cute pitcher? 

$14.95. 

A large silver tray missing a handle? 

$14.95.

A pillowcase?

Um..you got it. $14.95.

My personal favorite was finding two nearly identical similar trays, one with a huge dent in it (not even usable) and one in perfect condition. Both of them marked...$14.95. When I asked why this was,  the cashier said with a shrug, "That's just because they are both trays."

Okie dokie. Gotcha.

Our local Salvation Army now runs "half off days" for those of us with "Sally Cards"and even then items are too high, and "Purple tags are not included" which covers about a third of the furniture. Sheesh.    

Oh, and the furniture! Don't get me started on those prices. I wish I had taken my camera with me last week, because they have a settee in there now for...$899. Now, I am not saying that in a boutique or special order furniture store the settee would not be $899 (or $1899 for that matter), but as I said before, we are talking GoodWill Industries here, folks. (Reminder-the purpose of thrift shops: For donated items to be sold with the proceeds to benefit charity.)

Or...how about the beauty pictured above? (First off- it looks so much better in the photo than in real life. The little legs are about 15 inches apart)...Why yes, that would be a photograph of what happens when you mate a dainty child's table with a 48" oak outlet kitchen table top.(I am guessing quite a lot of beer was involved in the creative thought process to blend these two items) Mmm hmmm. And, I don't even want to know what happened to the pedestal base for the oak table.

The price for this one-of-a-kind (we can only hope) table? Just guess. (And, don't let the $14.95  designer floral arrangement  placed on top of it fool you.)

No, really. Guess.

Oh, you won't believe it.

Sixty nine American dollars. (I told you you wouldn't believe it)

Any takers? I didn't think so.

And the clothes. All of the clothes in thrift stores should be one dollar each. Anyway, that's my thought. My gosh, they have enough denim and polyester in those shops to clothe the entire state of Rhode Island, with more on the way each and every day. I say, price it right and move it out. Let's help the charity that the thrift store was set up to support. (and give the shoppers a deal at the same time- what a concept!)

Anyway.

I don't know about you, but I feel much better after getting all of this off my chest. You know, for the most part I try to keep this blog on an up note, but, sometimes, I just need to vent about the little stuff that just gets to me.

So....I am curious to know if I am alone in my thinking or if any of you have had similar experiences in price increases in thrift stores in your area in the past year? Do tell!

Comments

[Annabelle]

It must be a national thing! I don't even go to Salvation Army now...they're way too expensive. And the last time I was there they had a couch that was plain nasty...I mean dirty, torn...it should have gone to the dump! How much did they want for it? $25.00!!! I was astounded. I wouldn't have taken it for free. The prices have also gone up at Goodwill. Our GW also has silent auctions now. They do put their better items on the endcaps...with a much higher price tag of course. And what is up with the multiple, must be removed by sandblasting, price tags?!?! We live in a small town by the way. The pickings are slim to begin with. I better stop now. I love your blog!

[Annabelle]

Forgot to say this...I'm assuming since thrifting is such a big thing now, they must be taking advantage of it by raising their prices. Nice, huh?

[Kennesha]

I have to agree with you. I normally visit our local SA only on Saturdays when they have 50% off of the store...any other time, everything is way too expensive considering they get it all for FREE! However, I will say I am thankful for most who work at these thrift stores who have NO CLUE what a designer anything is which has worked to my benefit in the past. For instance, my $10.00 Michael Kors handbag with tags still on or my $20 Breville Juicer (Retails for $399.99!!!) These kinds of finds rarely happen though and most of the time, I get upset and just leave out empty handed. I have learned that most SA's will allow you to haggle the price though so I always ask for a manager and ask for the "best" they can offer on whatever piece it is I am most interested in. If he or she gives me a number I am not satisfied with, I make believe I am going to just walk away from it and they normally go lower...works like a charm!

[Cheri Peoples]

You are right on girl. I have asked, in posts on my blog, if people are finding prices to be ridiculous- but no one has responded. We were at a Goodwill and they had a broken item on a lamp that I could go buy parts and fix and I asked if they would go down and I was told they didn't need to go down. I have asked for a price adjustment on a few other items and they always say "that item just went out so we can't mark it down" Did you know Good Will has a bidding area on their website, so all the GREAT items aren't going out on the floor, they are trying to do an ebay auction deal. The way they have the categories divided is awful. I didn't have time to continue looking through page by page for what I wanted. Then on the other hand they will have a coffee table that could be made into a cute make over listed at $7, I really wonder what kind of drugs they are doing before they come to work and whip out that pricing gun. I did find one great treasure you would die for Tracey- an old vintage wedding cake topper at a Good Will and it was, I think $3.00. I grabbed that baby up but if they figure out there are people collecting them they will be marking them $39.99. I was in a shop not oo long ago and they had a couple of them and they were asking around $65 a piece. I have my couple posted on an older blog. If you are interested in seeing them send me a note and I will send you the URL.
I've been thinking about buying the domain name and moving my blog over to Typepad,
Cheri
Its So Very Cheri and Its So Very Cheri 2 - OUR FAVORITE THINGS

[Cheri Peoples]

I am going to link to this today.

[Katie]

I am so glad to see this written about. I thought I was starting to go a little batty. I am a furniture addict and can not believe how expensive the furniture has gotten at Sallie's.
We are a smallish, college town and don't have a GW but we have 3 Sallie's. 1 of the Sallie's is an Elite Repeat and is higher priced than our large antique mall. Our Sallie's also rarely run 1/2 off sales. I usually just leave but was shocked about a week ago to find a china hutch that needed a lot of love for $499.
My theory is if you can find the same thing on Craigslist for 1/2 the price and better quality there is a problem. The sad thing is that the revenue that thrifts make are to then go back to the organization to help those in need. How can that happen if people refuse to pay or can't pay the high prices on merch that the thrifts received as a donation?
This is obviously a company wide pricing directive as I live in Ca and am experiencing the same thing. My advice is to shop the smaller independent run thrifts usually associated with churches or disability organizations. As far as I have seen their pricing has stayed low/average. But my new fav's are Craigslist and church rummage sales.

[sarah@abeachcottage]

goodness! did you sneak on into my cottage and read my mind???

err the prices are C R A Z Y

the Salvos is hardly worth entering, in fact I've almost wondered if they might start to charge us *to enter

one of the supposed *charity shops I frequent likes to add little signs like 'an oldie' or 'vintage' for a piece of old garbage which they've got as a donation

the other day I was in St Vincents De Paul, not my usual spot and there was no dish under $8! I put something back in disgust and a errrm *secondhand dress, that yep means someone else wore it first, was $25,
hello!

grrr to be honest it drives me mad!!!!!!!!!

Tracey, you've spurred me on I am sooo posting about this, and will link, hope that's ok...

sorry to vent, times are tough at the Beach Cottage and not only do I want to thrift, it's my only choice, I feel let down by charity, do they nor realise it works both ways?

Sarah

[sarah@abeachcottage]

p.s. wow I feel better getting this off my chest too smile

[Wagonwife Designs]

Tracey you could not have hit a bigger nerve!!!!! ARGGGGH. I saw a cute sewing table, the little octagon type, at Salvation Army. It was marked at over 100.00. I was stunned. I asked a woman that worked there and she said she looked it up on line and it was from the 1800's and the price would stand. This was a reproduction by the way, could tell by the veneer, and in need of much TLC. The furniture was now being marketed like an Antique shop-without the quality. I like the scratch 'n dent bargain I can redo. But at that price, I'll wait.
WE FEEL YOUR PAIN!
Debra

[Kris]

WOW! You have SO hit a nerve here, Tracey...I have been lamenting this for ages now. Not so much at my local SA and GW (still able to find some real "treasures" at thrift prices...i.e. the 2 silver trivets I bought this week at GW for a dollar apiece, though I have noticed prices going up and new donations going down) but at what used to be my favorite place..the Paralyzed Veteran's thrift store, the prices have gone through the roof! (example: they had a white 5 shelf bookcase...banged up as it was...priced at $80! I told them they would never sell it at that price as I had bought the exact same thing, BRAND NEW at Big Lots for $29.95 geez!) I still find a few things now and then...but I walk out empty handed more and more lately. And I am seeing the same stuff sitting there for more than a year! I walk around muttering to myself that "hey, folks, this is NOT an antiques store!") I am unemployed and have VERY limited funds...but I have always looked at my purchases as a charitable donation sort of. So I really hate that I cannot help out those in dire need nearly as much as I used to...that's the really sad part of it. I am now starting to go to yard sales more and more. Junkers unite!

[michelleb]

I'm with you. My local Goodwill here in Maryland is way over-priced. I've pretty much stopped going.

[melissa]

Yes, Yes, Yes! I can't believe the prices in our Goodwill. Sometimes I have to look at the sign to make sure I didn't stop at the mall. (which in some cases would be cheaper.)

[Dawn]

I agree, totally! While you can still find some good deals, sometimes, most of the time things way overpriced!

I think it is because of the recession and the trend toward re-using and re-purposing. They now feel they can take advantage of the increased number of customers.

[Mary Kay]

Oh yes, this is happening everywhere! I travel a lot for work and usually fly into a location armed with some googled thrift store addresses so I can do some fun shopping in my free time. The price gouging is going on all over America, at SA stores especially. Although my local thrift - "Thrift Town" - is the worst! I privately call the pricing staff the "ladies in the back on crack" because their pricing is just crazy. An ugly painting with a not interesting frame - $69.99. A little woooden shelf with no redeeming features - $9.99. A skanky old sheet that you might be able to save a corner of to repurpose - $4.99. Luckily if something good comes along they are equally clueless so I've recently picked up a vintage world globe for $3.99 and an adorable little table for $3.99 and some cute canning jars for 10 cents each. It makes the hunt less fun, more frustrating though...

[Christen Hopkins]

I've found that to be true at our local Goodwill as well - just complained to my husband about it last week! The other bummer is that around here people have upped their garage sale prices as well - I'm not sure if because we're in a recession and they need money they feel their justified in asking higher prices?? But really everyone else is in the same boat and can't afford marked up items - catch 22. Frustrating!!!

[Theresa]

I live in Texas and noticed this some time ago at my local thrifts. Even with the economy and my husband out of a job for months, I don't go there anymore. I always find myself leaving frustrated and empty handed. I think our grandparents saying, "use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without" is so true these days. There just isn't any other choice. Unfortunately, I find similar issues at garage sales as well. On one end you go to a garage sale and pay too much or on the other, you have a garage sale and someone wants to purchase everything you have for $10 so they can turn around and sell it at their thrift store at inflated prices. I very rarely have garage sales anymore. I thought that maybe I would have a "give away" where anyone who needed something could take it, but then again, you get those who just try to take everything and resell it. So much for being thrifty!

Theresa in TX

[Laurie]

Yep, we're experiencing the same here in Central CA. A couple of weeks ago we were in Monterey and stopped by the GW and sure enough, they're doing the same. We came out empty handed. To top it off, people on our Craig's List put really ridiculously high prices on their stuff. I've just decided I'm making do with what I have.

Laurie

[AJ]

Girl, I am right there with ya!! I have noticed the prices sneaking up on me at ALL 3 of my local thrifting haunts. But, you know its gonna be ugly when they re-arrange the whole thing and move the displays around. Up, up, up go the prices. Uh, yeah people, it is the same store-you just moved everything around. I am sure that they are playing into the whole new "thrifing" movement, but jeez, cut a sister some slack!!! Anyway, so there is this old record cabinet or some kind of thing at one of these stores. Not sure what it is, no bigger than one of those vintage sewing machine cabinets, get this...$599.99. No, that's not a typo. Now, I know that a lot of us go there to get a good deal but what about the shoppers that HAVE to buy from there because they absolutely can't AFFORD to buy at ANY higher end store? They think they are pulling one over on us thrifters, but they are actually hurting those that already have a hard time. Heck, the clothes aren't that much more expensive at Walmart.
Whew! Now your sorry you brought this up, aren't you??

[ohgoodie]

The Goodwill locations in San Antonio have gotten crazy, they have silent auctions and now once a month they have live auctions at some locations. Rarely are there any real deals. Now they have also joined forces with our local Junior League Chapter and have an even more exclusive section with prices that are unbelivable. The Junior League quit have the most wonderful rummage sale last year to go in with goodwill. It was a long standing 70 year tradition, now gone and definately ruined by joining with Goodwill. At least there are a few good rummage sales still out there.

Smiles,
Carol

[Becky G.]

You are right on with this post! I've just quit going to Goodwill because I can't AFFORD it! Their prices have gotten outrageous, and they have set pricing (guess it makes it easier for the employees) and it doesn't matter the size or condition of the item. I think they will find they are pricing themselves out of the market! Go yard sales and estate sales - YAY!!!

[Kathy]

Oh my goodness Tracey, you have hit the nail on the head with this post! I have noticed the same thing and it is an outrage. My husband has been off owrk for a year, I recently went to a Salvation Army store to look for some "new" clothes and I COULDN'T AFFORD THEIR PRICES. Yeah, just who are they supposed to be helping? There are so many people unemployed right now and I can get better prices at the clearance sales for brand new items. I will not even donate to SA any more. Shame on them!

[Debbie Harris]

You are so right. It's just like the electric company raising prices in the summer - people are having a hard time financially so they RAISE their prices?

I'm having way better luck in my thrifting with Freecycle and Craigslist, and, as a result, I'm posting more items there to give away too. Free is still better than thrift.

It's not just Goodwill or Salvation Army. I was at another not-for-profit thrift shop the other day and saw the cutest little footstool - with a $35 price tag. Seriously?

[JoanK]

So I almost NEVER shop at thrift stores (as a prof. organizer I see too many homes just filled with junk so to go into a junk store for fun is not so fun for me. HOWEVER, I really needed a cheap pot with a lid so that I could clean the paint off some old hardware by heating it up with baking soda. Said pot will have to be tossed when i've finished with the project due to potential lead in the paint so I want a CHEAP pot. I go to the thrift store (that exists to raise money for the American Heart Foundation) and they have stacks and stacks and stacks of cheap pots. Yeah, I think. Then I notice the prices $12.99 and UP UP UP. What? I was just at the Christmas tree shop and could have bought a brand new Revere pot for $12.99 -- you've got to be kidding me? The salesperson comes to help. what do you have for about $5.00 I ask? NOTHING -- nope, not one $5.00 pot out of at least 50 or more pots. Okay -- see you. Finally got one for $7.99 at building nineteen and of course its way too nice a pot for what I'm using it for but that's the best I could do.
But what upset me the most is that the person who should be able to go and buy a pot for $5.00 (the new immigrant, the folks out of work, the college kid, the young mom on a budget) have no resource for getting cheap stuff. It's pretty ridiculous and as you say, greedy! Makes you think twice about donating your stuff to these stores -- I'd rather just give it directly to those in need.

[Karen W]

Thank you Tracey! I was feeling a little weird about having "sticker shock" at the thrift store! But then I realized that while I like to go thrifting for "the thrill of the hunt", the stores have become more and more crowded. People who never shopped at a thrift store are now checking out the Goodwill out of necessity - almost to the point of being trendy - if that makes sense. I think that the stores are capitalizing on that by increasing their prices, almost "because they can" and some shoppers don't know any different. Not sure that's right. Have a great day !!! =]

[Jolie Anne]

Yes, Thank you Tracey! I agree so much with your post about "Let's put the thrift back in Thrift store!" I live on the east coast of Florida and we are seeing the same crazy prices...except for in the Church thrift stores. Those people really get it that things don't move unless they are priced fairly. In fact my own church has a thrift store and I find incredible things there for not a lot of cash. Of course people are willing to add a little cash donation when they find such amazing deals. I volunteer at our thrift store so I am able to get the item before it goes out on the floor if I want it. I love your blog.

Thanks, JolieAnne

[sandryplainandsimple]

I think I am going to print all of these off and send them to my local "Greedwill"!
I agree totally with you. Our prices aren't as high as 14.95 for EVERYTHING, but are still outrageous. Also, the "Greedwill" across town has much lower prices on some things like books. So, apparently, each store sets its own prices. I found a glass pumpkin (actually, I found 2) marked 3.99. What they cost new! Later, I found only one...marked 5.99! And we will have two of the same item with different prices! This happens a lot. I personally think the lady who prices lower should be over all the pricing!

[ALVN of WhisperWood Cottage & Junkologie]

I find the prices a bit random as well! We have two Goodwills in town. They can have the same or similar item at two completely different price points. I guess it depends on who is pricing that day!!

[Debbie Ferguson]

I don't shop at those stores very often, but your post made me smile. Glad you vented.

[Heather]

I did quite a lot of thrifting last week while our children were involved in a local parks program - and I was saddened and surprised about the price increases too! Our Sally Ann still has 1/2 off Wednesdays for clothing and that's a huge help, but their no return policy isn't helpful when you are trying to buy for children! If the sizing was more consistent throughout the clothing industry that would be a huge help but I personally think the sizing is designed to drive mama's crazy!
I think our Goodwill keeps the clothing within range - $2.19 for kids and $3.79 for most grown up clothes - except suits, coats and dresses which are more. The prices at Sally Ann make no sense at all, but aren't so bad if you just shop the 1/2 price tickets. At all of our stores, the furniture is never marked down, so I am often envious when others talk about the deals they get on those items.
My pet peeve lately is folks who are buying Goodwill items and selling on e-bay at greatly inflated prices. I thought thrift stores were supposed to be families who needed a helping hand.

[Francie]

The prices have been going crazy for some time now...what really gets me is an item you can buy in the dollar store they will mark up to 3 or 4 dollars.
Went into one GW store and was totally gobsmacked...asked the gal at the front what was up with the outrageous prices and she just shook her head and said " I know, I know."

[Isabel ~ Maison Douce]

Tracey, I've been talking about that for a while, now, I find it absolutely ridiculous!! I can go to Target and find cuter clothes for much cheaper... And I have noticed that if an item is slighly old, the price has to be in the double digits... I have been outraged many, many times and made comments to them, saying that I would buy so much more if their prices were reasonable!!I have heard that Goodwill is actually not a non-profit organization, and their executives make an obscene amout of money!!!! What a shame...
Isabel

[kate]

Yep, I'm with ya and feeling your frustration girl. I think because of the economy more and more people are shopping these stores, the stores know it, and they are marking items up to take advantage of it. Ridiculous I say! When they start losing customers maybe they'll start putting their prices where they should be.
Kate @ The Jolly Dog House

[Gabreial]

I had to chime in here, I completely agree with you. I read an article somewhere talking about thrift stores taking advantage and raising prices! Kentucky is just as bad at least in my neck of the woods.

[Adrienne]

You're definitely not alone. And your sources are right about the 'thrift' prices up here in the P-Town area. Not much better than anywhere else! But some of us keep going back and back and back. I did find one very good bargain at my local GoodWill the other day. Don't think someone knew what it was.
~Adrienne~

[Betsy Derr]

I'm feeling your pain, Tracey!

Let's boycott!

I'm right there with Francie, Dollar Store stuff marked up! That always gets me.

I still enjoy the hunt, though, and recently I've been racking up cashmere for Fall and Winter. Summer is a good time to buy it.

As many have said, some of the other local thrift stores still have good prices, but Essays and GW are trying to be Antique Stores!

Great post. I like the idea of printing this out and showing it to the stores. Do you think they'd care??? I don't.

[Cami @ Creating Myself]

You are not alone in your thinking! The thrift stores are now charging as much as my favorite antique shops. If I am going to pay that much, I want the wonderful aroma from fine candles, a cup of coffee, the stylish decor & the quaint ambience to go along w/ it. And if I am going to pay that much, I don't want to sift through junk (I'm not talking old stuff, I'm talking dollar store crap), I want the linens laundered so they don't smell (I'll launder them again but still), I don't want a blood bank on the corner (I'm all for giving blood but unseemly characters tend to congregate outside them) & I want them to be so beautifully decorated that they provide me w/ not just purchases but inspiration.

In the long run, their trend to over-pricing may pay off for dealers like you. I know that it will limit what you have available but it will also force people, like me, to shift their "hunting" grounds to flea markets, booths & antique shops, in order to feed their addiction.

[Mrs. Mordecai]

I totally agree! I don't really even go to Goodwill anymore because the prices are so high. My worst purchase was a $12 sofa slipcover. It looked new, but actually they had just folded it strategically so it looked that way. The seat was unusable!

If you can find a Deseret Industries in your area, the prices tend to be far lower. That's my thrift store of choice.

[MJ Smith]

I agree! It really ticks me off since they get everything FREE and then turn around and price it so high that people with low incomes can't afford it. I would suggest your sending your blog (in letter form) to the big wigs at Goodwill & Salvation Army. Maybe they will wake up!

MJ

[Lucia Henry]

I haven't thrifted at SA since the vintage section was called the "Boutique". I think they can sell at high prices since they now have customers who once bought home goods at Pottery Barn and clothing at high-priced department stores. One of my local thrifts sells the "good" stuff at a local antique store on consignment. Its a win-win for the thrift and the antique store. Its a big LOSS for us treasure hunters. My solution? I shop regularly at another reasonably-priced thrift and always treat the staff with respect. They give me a deal every time : ) I DO find good stuff at Savers, too! Hang in there ladies.. soon thrifting will be out of fashion and we'll have our "little secret" all to ourselves.

[Betty]

Well didn't you just hit a nerve!
I guess we're all noticing the same thing.

Betty in Springfield, MA

[Jo]

I agree it has gotten awful at our GW. I ran a thrift store for theater and our end tables were $5-10 depending on condition. A couch was never over $50. All adult clothing is $2,50 Kids clothes .99. We even had ppl complain that oour prices were high! I went to our local GW this w/e - a barrister case minus the doors were $79! Are ppl buying the stuff?.. I could rant on this forever. Thansk for the post.....Jo

[Heather Bullard]

One of the main reasons I don't shop at any of these places. Glad you feel better about getting it off your chest! ; ) Of course, you do know you're preaching to the choir here! Smiles, H

[Jen]

You are right Tracey, our Goodwill is SUPER pricey too, my friends and I often talk about this very subject... My friend Elise says her Goodwill at least has half off a certain color each day of the week... Not ours though... I think with more people thrifting, they are taking advantage of that fact and raising prices!

[Sher's Creative Expressions]

Oh, I couldn't agree more. It seems like it's the "thing to do" now is to shop at thrift stores. . . so they are now adding their designer prices to the items. Been like this for a few years already here in Michigan. I always just wonder. . . what are they thinking??????

[sheila]

You know your right! back when I started dating my husband we shopped 4 everything there.... I mean everything we had no $$$$ in 1987 we were 18 & 19 years old :) I can go to Target and get a shirt for $5.00 and there at Goodwill it is $6.00 I guess you have to pay more for the stains?? And then their soooo callled boutique yeah right pleeese thay are more money that an antique store soemtimes.

Sheila

[Rhonda from Minnesota]

What a timely post. I was just ranting about this the other day. I shop the thrift stores in FARGO, ND and MOORHEAD, MN and the prices are outrageous. The stores are over flowing with merchandise and when workers come out from the "store room" the boxes are piled up to the ceiling with more things that need to be priced and put out. Like you mentioned . . .Price it to move.

[Claudia]

Yes, you are dead on about the prices at the local Salvation Army's. But in my area, I find that the prices in the Salvie's in an affluent area are much higher than the prices in the inner city lower income area. Guess which one I usually spent more money at??? Example, I recently purchased a gorgeous mustard painted antique sideboard at the city Salvies for 19.99!!! In the affluent Salvie's, it would have been 199.99!!! You've got to love it. I think you should send your comments to Salvation Army headquarters!! Maybe they can answer your question about the trays!!!

[Christine]

G-O-O-D-W-I-L-L... do you hear all this????

I hope someone from the Corporate Office is reading all this!

[Little Cottage]

You are SO right about Greedywill!! I rather go to TJMAXX or other stores, to look for bargains. As for Greedywill: Everything that MIGHT have a whiff of vintage/antique about them, goes to their nation wide auction site!
The little that's kept in the glass cases are so overpriced, that one have to wonder if they compare themselves to eBay (in the heydays)!
Thanks for such a great post & I wish it could be seen, by the same greedy organizations!
-Sylvi

[sasha]

I agree... this is nuts, and I had the same experience myself!!